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This is a page about the PDR-3500 a portable version of the Quantar.   
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This is a page about the '''PDR3500 Transportable Repeater''', a portable version of the Quantar.  The come in an attractive case, and with flexible power options.   
  
These are cool stations that take the standard Quantar modules.  They are able to be powered from AC or 13v DC power, as the internal amplifier is 12v DC powered.   
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These are cool stations that take the standard Quantar modules.  They are able to be powered from AC or 13v DC power, as the internal amplifier is 12v DC powered.  The internal supply can work on 85-250V AC 50-60Hz, and there is a DC input for 13.8v at 10aThe unit weights about 50 lbs with the duplexer. 
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[[File:PDR3500 Closed with Dildo for Scale.jpg|400px|thumb|right|PDR3500, Dildo for Scale]]
  
 
The station backplane is different here in that the PA ID is set using a 4 bit dips witch on the unit.  This also adapts the SPECTRA PA module to the Quantar exciter, fooling it into thinking it's a Quantar PA.
 
The station backplane is different here in that the PA ID is set using a 4 bit dips witch on the unit.  This also adapts the SPECTRA PA module to the Quantar exciter, fooling it into thinking it's a Quantar PA.
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The PDR3500 can be operated with the case closed and locked (using a Chicago 2135 key) with the power and coax going out the left side of the unit through a gasket.
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[[File:PDR3500 Showing closed case operation.jpg|400px|thumb|right|PDR3500 cable gasket]]
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These were common for FBI/USSS/WHCA meaning the UHF1 was the most common (403-433), but they can be changed to UHF 2 with a module swap or via converting the units.  The Spectra PA in UH1 works up to 470 MHz at reduced power and up to 465 with the full 30W.  Being these were used as a backup it's common to find the 8 wire Wireline card in them.  Most were later production modules so they have EPIC V modules. 
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It is possible to add a v.24 card on these and route the v.24 out of the chassis. 
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Of note when programing it, and especially for flash upgrades, the serial port on the top is the Back Port and uses the 193.0.0.4 IP address and BP config for SLIP.  I've never been able to flash these at 38400, and have always needed to use 9600 bps.
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= Changing Bands =
 
= Changing Bands =
  
As the unit takes the standard modules, you can easily change bands by moving modules.  The issue is the PA is an adapted from the SPECTRA Mobile radios, and uses the same PCB but mounted on a custom heat spreader.   
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As the unit takes the standard modules, you can easily change bands by moving modules.  The issue is the PA is an adapted from the SPECTRA Mobile radios, and uses the same PCB but mounted on a custom heat spreader.
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= A and B RJ 45=
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These are the wireline interfaceAs the PDR manual doesn't give them anywhere they are below.
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{| class="wikitable"
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! colspan="3" style="text-align:Center;border-bottom:solid 2px" | PDR3500 - A - J21
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|-
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|style="text-align:Left;border-bottom:solid 2px;width: 25%;" | RJ45
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|style="text-align:Left;border-bottom:solid 2px;width: 25%;" | Color
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|style="text-align:Left;border-bottom:solid 2px;width: 50%;"| Function
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|-
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|style="background-color: orange;color: white;text-align:Right" |1
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|style="background-color: orange;color: white;"|W/Orange
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|style="background-color:white"|LINE1 +
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|-
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|style="background-color: orange;color: black;text-align:Right" |2
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|style="background-color: orange;color: black;"|Orange
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|style="background-color:white"|LINE1 -
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|-
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|style="background-color: green;color: white;text-align:Right" |3
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|style="background-color: green;color: white;"|W/Green
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|style="background-color:white"|LINE2 +
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|-
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|style="background-color: #3c78d8;color: black;text-align:Right" |4
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|style="background-color: #3c78d8;color: black;"|Blue
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|style="background-color:white"|LINE2 -
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|-
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|style="background-color: #3c78d8;color: white;text-align:Right" |5
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|style="background-color: #3c78d8;color: white;"|W/Blue
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|style="background-color:white"|Ground
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|-
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|style="background-color: green;color: black;text-align:Right" |6
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|style="background-color: green;color: black;"|Green
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|style="background-color:white"|RDSTAT +
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|-
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|style="background-color: #b45f06;color: white;text-align:Right" |7
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|style="background-color: #b45f06;color: white;"|W/Brown
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|style="background-color:white"|RDSTAT -
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|-
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|style="background-color: #b45f06;color: Black;text-align:Right" |8
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|style="background-color: #b45f06;color: black;"|Brown
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|style="background-color:white"|EXTPTT -
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|}
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{| class="wikitable"
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! colspan="3" style="text-align:Center;border-bottom:solid 2px" | PDR3500 - B - J22
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|-
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|style="text-align:Left;border-bottom:solid 2px;width: 25%;" | RJ45
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|style="text-align:Left;border-bottom:solid 2px;width: 25%;" | Color
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|style="text-align:Left;border-bottom:solid 2px;width: 50%;"| Function
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|-
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|style="background-color: orange;color: white;text-align:Right" |1
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|style="background-color: orange;color: white;"|W/Orange
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|style="background-color:white"|LINE2 +
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|-
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|style="background-color: orange;color: black;text-align:Right" |2
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|style="background-color: orange;color: black;"|Orange
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|style="background-color:white"|LINE2 -
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|-
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|style="background-color: green;color: white;text-align:Right" |3
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|style="background-color: green;color: white;"|W/Green
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|style="background-color:white"|LINE1 +
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|-
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|style="background-color: #3c78d8;color: black;text-align:Right" |4
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|style="background-color: #3c78d8;color: black;"|Blue
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|style="background-color:white"|LINE1 -
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|-
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|style="background-color: #3c78d8;color: white;text-align:Right" |5
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|style="background-color: #3c78d8;color: white;"|W/Blue
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|style="background-color:white"|Ground
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|-
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|style="background-color: green;color: black;text-align:Right" |6
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|style="background-color: green;color: black;"|Green
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|style="background-color:white"|5v @ 1A
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|-
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|style="background-color: #b45f06;color: white;text-align:Right" |7
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|style="background-color: #b45f06;color: white;"|W/Brown
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|style="background-color:white"|EXTPTT +
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|-
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|style="background-color: #b45f06;color: Black;text-align:Right" |8
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|style="background-color: #b45f06;color: black;"|Brown
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|style="background-color:white"|Ground
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|}
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= Adding a Channel selector =
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The Quantar can support up to 16 channels, and most UHF duplexers can support a 75-100 kHz or better spread, so it makes sense that you can have 3-4 channels programmed at different options, ie. mixed, analog, P25, tones, power output, etc.  This way if you come into a location and find interference on your primary channel, a quick change can be made. 
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The best option is a binary output 16 position switch.  These will provide 0000 - 1111 input to the IO pins directly, without needed a diode array.
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APEM makes a 0-F Hex switch PT65503, [https://www.digikey.com/en/products/detail/apem-inc/PT65503/1797077 Digikey 679-1940-ND] which has a nice readout and is small.  I put this on some perf board and mounted it with some epoxy to the chassis.  The position chosen avoids the possibility of damaging the switch with the case closed and provides a nice way to get the wires to the backplane.  You can note the extra hole next to the v.24 connector, it was my first attempt with a junkbox rotatory switch.  It worked great until I shut the lid and it broke the switch. 
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[[File:PDR3500 Channel Mod 00024.jpg|400px|thumb|left|Location of the channel selector]]
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Normally this is done via the wireline board IO, and while the PDR has a wireline board, it doesn't have the IO connector.  Connecting to the pins on the back plane is what's needed, and it is rather easy to do.  P101 and P102 correspond to the wireline edge card connector functions.
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[[File:PDR3500 Channel Mod 00008.jpg|400px|thumb|left|IO ports 1-4 and 5v source]]
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[[File:PDR3500_Back_Plane_Wireline_tap.png|400px|thumb|left|Backplane diagram ]]
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[[File:Wireline_edge_card_connector.png|400px|thumb|left|Wireline card edge connectors]]
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The inputs 1-4 are used in this example.  They are transistor coupled and will be programed as active high.  This means we must have a 1k resistor to ground on the inputs to bias them off normally. 
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[[File:Wireline trasnsistor coupled inputs.png|400px|thumb|left|wireline input circuits]]
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The easy way to do this is using 1206 sized or 1/8w axial leaded 1k resistors on the board it self.  Using a small screwdriver scratch away some of the resist and tin the board.  Install the resistors as shown.  Note the small little notch to the top of the board.  This is the location we will bring the wires through.  If needed, use a grinder and expand this cutout.
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[[File:PDR3500 Channel Mod 00016.jpg|400px|thumb|left|Resistor location on backplane]]
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Now we need to attach the switch to a small section of PCB and attach some wirewrap or other fine wires to it.  This must be epoxied to the top of the chassis, just below the v.24 connector and to the top right of the duplexer.  It's suggested to lightly sand under this and clean it with acetone or other cleaner.
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[[File:PDR3500 Channel Mod 00018.jpg|400px|thumb|left|Switch installed on chassis]]
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[[File:PDR3500 Channel Mod 00020.jpg|400px|thumb|left|Switch installed on chassis]]
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Now route the wires into the back of the chassis and connect them to 5v on the common and 1,2,3,4 to 1,2,4,8 on the switch.  Once done, tape the wires in place using some kapton tape.
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[[File:PDR3500 Channel Mod 00022.jpg|400px|thumb|left|Completed wiring. ]]
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Finally check the v.24 bracket for clearance on the wire, and if needed grind some of it to permit the wire to fit.  A protective wrap of tape or shrink tube may be needed here.
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[[File:PDR3500 Channel Mod 00023.jpg|400px|thumb|left|Completed wiring. ]]
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Finally you must program the wireline to use the 1-4 inputs as the channel selector.  You should make a codeplug with 16 channels to test as well.  Note that 0 on switch channel 16, 1-9 are the 1-9 channels and a-f is channels 10-15.  If making a label for the repeater it's suggested you use 0-F to label the channels, not what RSS calls them.  This will make it easier for someone in the field to select the proper channel.
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[[File:PDR3500 Channel Mod 00025.png|400px|thumb|left|Programing for binary input]]
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Finally you want to test this, and it can be done using the RSS, or using a 9600 8n1 serial console.  If using the serial console, put the repeater in RSS mode with 'dorss', then issue 'get chn cur' to see the current channel.  confirm the channel selected works as expected.
  
 
= Documents =  
 
= Documents =  
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= Pictures =
 
= Pictures =
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== External ==
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<gallery mode=packed-hover>
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PDR3500 Closed.jpg
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PDR3500 Deployed in Truck.jpg
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PDR3500 Open.jpg
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PDR3500 From Top Closed.jpg
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PDR3500 Showing closed case operation.jpg
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PDR3500 Weight.jpg
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PDR3500 Dildo on Top.jpg
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PDR3500 Dildo open.jpg
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PDR3500 Closed with Dildo for Scale.jpg
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</gallery>
  
== External ==
 
  
 
== Internal ==
 
== Internal ==
  
=== PSU ===
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=== Chassis And Backplane ===
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<gallery mode=packed-hover>
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PDR3500 Chassis Bottom 00001.jpg
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PDR3500 Chassis Bottom 00002.jpg
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PDR3500 Chassis Bottom Bracket for cards.jpg
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PDR3500 Chassis Card Bracket.jpg
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PDR3500 Chassis Front 00001.jpg
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PDR3500 Chassis Front 00002.jpg
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PDR3500 Chassis Front 00003.jpg
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PDR3500 Chassis Front 00004.jpg
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PDR3500 Chassis Front 00005.jpg
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PDR3500 Chassis Front.jpg
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PDR3500 Power On Chassis.jpg
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PDR3500 Chassis 00001.jpg
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PDR3500 Chassis 00002.jpg
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PDR3500 Chassis 00003.jpg
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PDR3500 Chassis 00004.jpg
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PDR3500 Chassis 00005.jpg
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PDR3500 Chassis 00006.jpg
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PDR3500 Chassis 00007.jpg
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PDR3500 Chassis 00008.jpg
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PDR3500 Chassis 00009.jpg
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PDR3500 Chassis 00010.jpg
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PDR3500 Chassis 00011.jpg
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PDR3500 Chassis Backplane 00001.jpg
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PDR3500 Chassis Backplane 00002.jpg
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PDR3500 Chassis Backplane 00003.jpg
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PDR3500 Chassis Backplane 00004.jpg
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PDR3500 Chassis Backplane 00005.jpg
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PDR3500 Chassis Backplane 00006.jpg
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PDR3500 Chassis Backplane 00007.jpg
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PDR3500 Chassis Backplane 00008.jpg
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PDR3500 Chassis Backplane 00009.jpg
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PDR3500 Chassis Backplane 00010.jpg
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PDR3500 Chassis Backplane 00011.jpg
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PDR3500 Chassis Backplane 00012.jpg
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PDR3500 Chassis Backplane 00013.jpg
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PDR3500 Chassis Backplane 00014.jpg
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PDR3500 Chassis Backplane 00015.jpg
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PDR3500 Chassis Backplane 00016.jpg
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PDR3500 Chassis Backplane 00017.jpg
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PDR3500 Chassis Backplane 00018.jpg
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PDR3500 Chassis Backplane 00019.jpg
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PDR3500 Chassis Backplane 00020.jpg
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PDR3500 Chassis Backplane 00021.jpg
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PDR3500 Chassis Backplane 00022.jpg
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PDR3500 Chassis Backplane 00023.jpg
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PDR3500 Chassis Backplane 00024.jpg
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PDR3500 Chassis Backplane 00025.jpg
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PDR3500 Chassis Backplane 00026.jpg
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PDR3500 Chassis Backplane 00027.jpg
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PDR3500 Chassis Backplane 00028.jpg
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PDR3500 Chassis Backplane 00029.jpg
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PDR3500 Chassis Backplane 00030.jpg
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PDR3500 Chassis Backplane 00031.jpg
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PDR3500 Chassis Backplane 00032.jpg
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PDR3500 Chassis Backplane 00033.jpg
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PDR3500 Chassis Backplane 00034.jpg
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PDR3500 Chassis Backplane 00035.jpg
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PDR3500 Chassis Backplane 00036.jpg
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PDR3500 Chassis Backplane 00037.jpg
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PDR3500 Chassis Backplane 00038.jpg
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PDR3500 Chassis Backplane 00039.jpg
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PDR3500 Chassis Backplane 00040.jpg
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PDR3500 Backplane jumpers.jpg
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PDR3500 Card Bracket screws.jpg
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PDR3500 Card Bracket.jpg
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</gallery>
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=== Power Supply Module ===
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<gallery mode=packed-hover>
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PDR3500 Power Supply 00001.jpg
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PDR3500 Power Supply 00002.jpg
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PDR3500 Power Supply 00003.jpg
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PDR3500 Power Supply 00004.jpg
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</gallery>
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=== Duplexer ===
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<gallery mode=packed-hover>
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PDR3500 Duplexer 00001.jpg
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PDR3500 Duplexer 00002.jpg
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PDR3500 Duplexer 00003.jpg
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</gallery>
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=== EPIC V SCM ===
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<gallery mode=packed-hover>
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PDR3500 EPIC V Front.jpg
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PDR3500 SCM EPIC V 00001.jpg
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PDR3500 SCM EPIC V 00002.jpg
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PDR3500 SCM EPIC V 00003.jpg
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PDR3500 SCM EPIC V 00004.jpg
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PDR3500 SCM EPIC V 00005.jpg
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</gallery>
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=== Wireline ===
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<gallery mode=packed-hover>
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PDR3500 Wireline 8 Wire 00001.jpg
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PDR3500 Wireline 8 Wire 00002.jpg
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PDR3500 Wireline 8 Wire 00003.jpg
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PDR3500 Wireline 8 Wire 00004.jpg
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PDR3500 Wireline 8 Wire 00005.jpg
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</gallery>
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=== UHF R1 PA Module ===
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Note this is the module from an Astro Spectra/Spectra mid power unit
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<gallery mode=packed-hover>
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PDR3500 UHF R1 PA module 00001.jpg
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PDR3500 UHF R1 PA module 00002.jpg
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PDR3500 UHF R1 PA module 00003.jpg
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PDR3500 UHF R1 PA module 00004.jpg
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PDR3500 UHF R1 PA module 00005.jpg
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PDR3500 UHF R1 PA module 00006.jpg
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PDR3500 UHF R1 PA module 00007.jpg
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PDR3500 UHF R1 PA module 00008.jpg
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PDR3500 UHF R1 PA module 00009.jpg
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PDR3500 UHF R1 PA module 00010.jpg
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PDR3500 UHF R1 PA module 00011.jpg
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PDR3500 UHF R1 PA module 00012.jpg
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PDR3500 UHF R1 PA module 00013.jpg
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PDR3500 UHF R1 PA module 00014.jpg
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PDR3500 UHF R1 PA module 00015.jpg
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PDR3500 UHF R1 PA module 00016.jpg
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PDR3500 UHF R1 PA module 00017.jpg
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PDR3500 UHF R1 PA module 00018.jpg
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PDR3500 UHF R1 PA module 00019.jpg
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PDR3500 UHF R1 PA module 00020.jpg
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PDR3500 UHF R1 PA module 00021.jpg
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PDR3500 UHF R1 PA module 00022.jpg
  
=== other ===
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</gallery>

Latest revision as of 01:34, 13 March 2024


This is a page about the PDR3500 Transportable Repeater, a portable version of the Quantar. The come in an attractive case, and with flexible power options.

These are cool stations that take the standard Quantar modules. They are able to be powered from AC or 13v DC power, as the internal amplifier is 12v DC powered. The internal supply can work on 85-250V AC 50-60Hz, and there is a DC input for 13.8v at 10a. The unit weights about 50 lbs with the duplexer.

PDR3500, Dildo for Scale

The station backplane is different here in that the PA ID is set using a 4 bit dips witch on the unit. This also adapts the SPECTRA PA module to the Quantar exciter, fooling it into thinking it's a Quantar PA.

The PDR3500 can be operated with the case closed and locked (using a Chicago 2135 key) with the power and coax going out the left side of the unit through a gasket.

PDR3500 cable gasket

These were common for FBI/USSS/WHCA meaning the UHF1 was the most common (403-433), but they can be changed to UHF 2 with a module swap or via converting the units. The Spectra PA in UH1 works up to 470 MHz at reduced power and up to 465 with the full 30W. Being these were used as a backup it's common to find the 8 wire Wireline card in them. Most were later production modules so they have EPIC V modules.

It is possible to add a v.24 card on these and route the v.24 out of the chassis.

Of note when programing it, and especially for flash upgrades, the serial port on the top is the Back Port and uses the 193.0.0.4 IP address and BP config for SLIP. I've never been able to flash these at 38400, and have always needed to use 9600 bps.


Changing Bands

As the unit takes the standard modules, you can easily change bands by moving modules. The issue is the PA is an adapted from the SPECTRA Mobile radios, and uses the same PCB but mounted on a custom heat spreader.

A and B RJ 45

These are the wireline interface. As the PDR manual doesn't give them anywhere they are below.

PDR3500 - A - J21
RJ45 Color Function
1 W/Orange LINE1 +
2 Orange LINE1 -
3 W/Green LINE2 +
4 Blue LINE2 -
5 W/Blue Ground
6 Green RDSTAT +
7 W/Brown RDSTAT -
8 Brown EXTPTT -


PDR3500 - B - J22
RJ45 Color Function
1 W/Orange LINE2 +
2 Orange LINE2 -
3 W/Green LINE1 +
4 Blue LINE1 -
5 W/Blue Ground
6 Green 5v @ 1A
7 W/Brown EXTPTT +
8 Brown Ground

Adding a Channel selector

The Quantar can support up to 16 channels, and most UHF duplexers can support a 75-100 kHz or better spread, so it makes sense that you can have 3-4 channels programmed at different options, ie. mixed, analog, P25, tones, power output, etc. This way if you come into a location and find interference on your primary channel, a quick change can be made.

The best option is a binary output 16 position switch. These will provide 0000 - 1111 input to the IO pins directly, without needed a diode array.

APEM makes a 0-F Hex switch PT65503, Digikey 679-1940-ND which has a nice readout and is small. I put this on some perf board and mounted it with some epoxy to the chassis. The position chosen avoids the possibility of damaging the switch with the case closed and provides a nice way to get the wires to the backplane. You can note the extra hole next to the v.24 connector, it was my first attempt with a junkbox rotatory switch. It worked great until I shut the lid and it broke the switch.

Location of the channel selector


Normally this is done via the wireline board IO, and while the PDR has a wireline board, it doesn't have the IO connector. Connecting to the pins on the back plane is what's needed, and it is rather easy to do. P101 and P102 correspond to the wireline edge card connector functions.

IO ports 1-4 and 5v source
Backplane diagram
Wireline card edge connectors



The inputs 1-4 are used in this example. They are transistor coupled and will be programed as active high. This means we must have a 1k resistor to ground on the inputs to bias them off normally.

wireline input circuits


The easy way to do this is using 1206 sized or 1/8w axial leaded 1k resistors on the board it self. Using a small screwdriver scratch away some of the resist and tin the board. Install the resistors as shown. Note the small little notch to the top of the board. This is the location we will bring the wires through. If needed, use a grinder and expand this cutout.

Resistor location on backplane


Now we need to attach the switch to a small section of PCB and attach some wirewrap or other fine wires to it. This must be epoxied to the top of the chassis, just below the v.24 connector and to the top right of the duplexer. It's suggested to lightly sand under this and clean it with acetone or other cleaner.

Switch installed on chassis
Switch installed on chassis


Now route the wires into the back of the chassis and connect them to 5v on the common and 1,2,3,4 to 1,2,4,8 on the switch. Once done, tape the wires in place using some kapton tape.

Completed wiring.


Finally check the v.24 bracket for clearance on the wire, and if needed grind some of it to permit the wire to fit. A protective wrap of tape or shrink tube may be needed here.

Completed wiring.


Finally you must program the wireline to use the 1-4 inputs as the channel selector. You should make a codeplug with 16 channels to test as well. Note that 0 on switch channel 16, 1-9 are the 1-9 channels and a-f is channels 10-15. If making a label for the repeater it's suggested you use 0-F to label the channels, not what RSS calls them. This will make it easier for someone in the field to select the proper channel.

Programing for binary input


Finally you want to test this, and it can be done using the RSS, or using a 9600 8n1 serial console. If using the serial console, put the repeater in RSS mode with 'dorss', then issue 'get chn cur' to see the current channel. confirm the channel selected works as expected.

Documents

PDR 3500 Transportable Repeater Basic Service Manual - This has the backplane diagram and layout in it as well.

Pictures

External


Internal

Chassis And Backplane

Power Supply Module

Duplexer

EPIC V SCM

Wireline

UHF R1 PA Module

Note this is the module from an Astro Spectra/Spectra mid power unit